Mahjong Soul Game Log: https://mahjongsoul.game.yo-star.com/?paipu=260204-1a9cd36e-e087-44d1-89d3-7a4a583a18f6_a925584019
im HUNGRY while playing this game btw
ok theyre both once cut my bad
i dont wanna cut live dora are you mad
i guess its mangan tenpai……… suuankou iishanten… but cutting dora against IPPATSU chance man youre crazy
EDIT: nvm i take it back why did i think 8m was safe LOL
i wanted to riichi this cause if you’re gonna defend you’d definitely cut xia for sure lol. there’s also like no practical upgrade path, like 79m or 89m. but can you really call that an ‘upgrade’?
i wasn’t that itching to win the hand so i dont wanna widen the gap… but we can just improve to 1shanten! is it too early to be playing like a pussy?
idk i felt like manzu was open hehe ok
1p is pretty safe….. but ton is SAFER…
sakigiri 4p. if i draw pinzu its not really an upgrade. plus sanshoku is far.
lets fucking go sashikomi
i felt like dora tanki is a little too aggressive… but i also have 6 safe tiles to fall back on…
uhh sanshoku 678? it’s a stretch but i guess drawing 7p for 78p is better than drawing 3m for 23m because it lacks 147m adjacency
five block theory: (34m)(788m)(2p)(55p)(79p)(3s)(99s)(1z). therefore 2p > 3s > 1z in risk order leaving 34788m5579p99s. five blocks
I’d feel this one later was bad as i realized my tenpai was dead after drawing 6m… I can’t draw a 9s at this point so 557p has 6 tiles available whereas 579p has 8 tiles visible to complete that shape. wow math is good
i just floundered on shanpon 55p99s looking to improve 4p or 8s to get back into pinfu.. it’s riichi dora 2 for 7700 and all 4 are ‘alive’ so yeah bad call to not doing anything here
I wanted to kill dora first since I already knew I wanted to do chin itsu here… tossing ton covers my tracks… but perhaps 9s is still a reasonable discard here
from before wanting to kill dora first… but if i draw 3s am I really that sad? It’s still 1shanten to riichi dora 2 so I shouldn’t have fixated chin itsu here
I guess we can say ‘don’t riichi’ to preserve the lead here in case of danger? hand is cheap anyway on shanpon so its not like im getting much value here anyway. but I don’t think the point gap is that big enough yet to turtle.
fixing 567 sanshoku earlier? i guess 3444 shape is stronger than 35s shape
valueless wind > terminal for discard order
I called chii here on accident.. should have been pon… i like tan dora 2 here but since i’m in the lead in s4 i don’t need more points anymore.
is 1s a better ‘safe tile’ than pei? i don’t actually want to rely on my guest wind…
if i didn’t call the 5p i wouldn’t deal in on my own overflow 5p :^)
I’m on team useless terminal is better than useless guest wind… which is it? I guess 3z is safer to keep for later, technically speaking
uh…………….. sakigiri? I guess if we draw 7s 1355678s is better than 135567s and let’s us use the 50s pair… ok
I guess we didn’t need to greed hon itsu and 1s is dead… I think maybe if I had a better fixed pair it’d be fine but I suppose we can’t rely on getting 7z here. so I bricked my hand by moving to hon itsu. Not that I would get 4p7p anyway lol
m-muh 3p acceptance…. ok…
I was scared of toimen being tenpai so I went for the 2m cut… 7p cut lets us take tenpai on 234m34s so… ok fine… alternatively, if toimen needed 7p he already had TWO chances to call chii…
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this would have actually saved my bacon so many times over… lol
I got overly fixated on getting the 345s sanshoku in… chun would come out later somehow but I felt it was locked and didn’t want to get into atozuke here. But at least I’d be tenpai!
pon and then 2s/5s for keiten attempt? I REALLY don’t want to cut 8m here but I suppose I could get a chance if I make the call here. 2s/5s are pretty safe here so it’s probably worth a shot
I think both 1s and 9s are superfluous… like if I draw 2s I cut 1s and if i draw 7s i cut 9s… the result is also the same if I draw 5s (134568s vs 345689s)… I’m too stupid to understand the nuance on this one lol
tan yao brain not taking in 79s kanchan. OK. but what if I draw 7p, huh???????
I guess we technically have 5 blocks already (455m, 99m, 56p, 24s, 33z)… but it’s not like haku is really doing me any favors either…? ok after thinking about it 3m draw furitens me so ok fine
furiten 1m
this is interesting that naga thinks 4m is safer than 9m… the only reason I really picked 9m is because every other tile is bad and keeps me in tanyao if my draws improve if i catch 3s or something to move into tenpai. so, only from a pure offensive point of view did i opt for 9m. let’s call it…… dumb luck?
terminal < value honor
terminal < value honor
sakigiri mainly…. MAYBE you can draw 68p to upgrade but can I just draw 459s instead?
(change of pov)
toimen made the first move of his unraveling here. why would you cut dora here?????????????????????????????? just fold you’re so far in the lead man
I was thinking I could fill in the 246p really easily… I think this makes more sense lol
might actually be retarded????????? lol I think i overfixated in the 456 sanshoku and missed the 1shanten here
cause this could have been tsumo tan dora 2000 all instead of tenpai… haha…
(change of pov)
2nd move of toimen’s undoing. why the FUCK would you toss live dora into two riichis. (i’m just mad it wasn’t my riichi he dealt into tbh)
worthless honor < terminal
thank god for houtei or we’d go to west 1!
think the biggest bonehead mistake was not taking the 23455588m shape on south 2. let’s continue to work to improve
i was second guessing myself here after as toimen would tsumogiri drop 3p the turn after but kamicha would drop 5m a little bit later. both felt loose honestly even though 4p is ponned by shimocha
I was thinking iipeikou chance if I draw another 2s… since I already cut the 7s 8s has no value anymore… right? or wrong? lol
I figured I would just take the 1shanten chiitoi vs 2/3shanten normal hand? if I cut 4m I’m still MINIMUM 2shanten on 35678m3p14s… I think I’m missing the san/suu an kou potential here for mangan+ and settling for a 1600 point hand. ok I guess that makes sense in that regard
I suppose 9p is a better chiitoi wait than 4m23s. it’s also sotogawa to my 7p. OK
lone terminal < value honor
I should have fixed the 3p earlier. even if I draw 369p it does nothing so let’s keep the 1z genbutsu earlier
terminal < value honor
my reasoning here is both 5z and 7z are useless, so I want to retain the safer one……. even if I draw 5z pair I’d be kinda sad soooooooooooooooo indifferent to me? on the other hand it does put me at 4 pairs for chiitoi so maybe I shouldn’t think like that and I need to abandon this genbutsu holding mindset
lone terminal < once cut seat wind
I was like let me cut my 8m before it’s too late… but his pond suggesting manzu honitsu should mean you SHOULDN’T do that… it’s not like my hand is going anywhere and I should have folded way earlier lol
letting go of pei here is kinda dumb in hindsight lol what am I winning with this dogshit
trying to fold… My reasoning for 8p being the discard is 3 6p cut and shimocha already chii’d 978p so he’s out of upper manzu. but the BETTER way to approach this is the only way to be tenpai on 4p is 4p tanki since I have the 5p kabe in my hand, so that is a better way out here
I was like… I can still accept 7s in 3556s… but 5567899s would be a way stronger 1shanten shape than 3556799s… OK
I was thinking I didn’t need another pair so i can fill in the 1356s shape…. I think keeping the additional pair to expand the pinzu side is better now
i guess 133s is better than 99s. ok
i REALLY don’t want to atozuke dora honor… lol
I guess I don’t have enough fixed blocks yet to cut lone stuff yet
i guess we can fix itsu over breaking lone tiles still here
valueless guest wind < terminal. but my idea is ton still gives me pinfu so MUH SAFE TILE…
i’m not riiching this bro sorry it’s 5200 yasume 7700 takame im good with that this late in the game. plus i can upgrade to sanshoku on 7s :^)
i wanted the 9p to try to fix the sanshoku on 69m but we can just take tanyao to be safer here. we don’t need more points here in south 3 so we should just be wide for tenpai. plus i destroy my 3m acceptance for riichi nomi
discard inside out – but what if i draw 5s???????????
getting mixed messages on if i should atozuke dora yakuhai or not :^)
ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh close enough i think i could settle for tan dora here. potential for tanpin sanshoku dora is there but it feels so distant
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trying to fold to shimocha while somewhat keeping a hand here. i didn’t get the feeling that anyone else was tenpai just yet
): i guess there’s no real improvement anyway…
I guess we should save the pei for later. it doesn’t seem like it but 9p can become live if shimocha draws 14s
idk maybe i can get lucky to move into tenpai off 7m here later. it’s not like i would toss 56p ANYWAY to anything here so i’m for it. thanks kagashi for backing me up
I’m not that scared of haku here…. maybe I should be? lol
I would have ippatsumo’d 5p…. but really riichi here is kinda wild lol. I guess this way if anyone else cuts it I can ron since if I drop 5p it’s pretty bad myself
Idk i dont think they’re that different…..? sanshoku i guess but thats so far
i didn’t want to fully fold yet but 5m nakasuji is better for sure
is my hand more or less alive if i cut 5m?
oops lol
i didn’t like 25m suji anymore after 6m pon so i went with 8s suji on 5s. as expected naga does think 3m suji is more dangerous than 8s and i do have somewhat ‘valid’ fear of 5m to kamicha
uhhh……. muh chiitoi… both are pretty useless though
lets me utilize 7m tenpai if i keep 9m. whereas 2m does nothing for me really
i’d end up drawing 8m dora after this lol fuck
this was kinda boneheaded and for some reason i was like why is this hand worth 7700??? it already looks like honitsu ANYWAY which would be 7700 and i can fold out 3p to the end so yeah bad move on my part. i just saw tenpai and was like SURE!
since blocks are fixed, hold xia instead of 1s for genbutsu (but 1s is in TWO ponds?)
2m is genbutsu so i didn’t need to break 67m ryanmen
i wanna fold cause i dont wanna drop chun dora too scary sorry!
tanyao brainrot but i think about fixing 567 sanshoku too much. tan yao dora 2 is enough?
i chii 67m but what’s the granular difference here if i cut 2m anyway? does revealing 456m vs 567m make that much of a difference if i show my sanshoku block? help
well what if you drew the 3rd chun?
ok fine
i guess 7p is bad? but i’d rather cut it now rather than later? i guess naga wants me to fold NOW but i dont feel that anyone is tenpai just yet
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lol chanta turds. somehow in my mind there’s no way he’d hold 223s so i was ok cutting 1s… but it could have been shanpon 11s or tanki 1s!
i suppose 3p is more dead than 7s
ehhhhhhhhhh i think even if i catch a 2nd xia i would be sad trying to wait for the third to come out…. but i would toss out haku before that maybe………..?
bro if i draw 7p there’s no way im cutting a 6p because i want a 7700 direct hit on shimocha so its a dead block in my mind. so fuck the 8p
I was thinking 1shanten chiitoi… 4m is 2 shanten tan yao but is more flexible in picking up remaining tiles to reach keiten?
definitely way more aggressive on atozuke than I am comfortable with… I guess I can see it, but not a big fan of it
2p and 3p are both genbutsu…. 2p fucks my hand up less… I guess if we know my hand is fucked either way then 2p is safer against future pushers? is what i can come up with
*fucks my hand up even more*
I don’t want to absolutely fold yet, do I…? also note toimen passed ron on 9p for pinfu dora lol. he ippatsumo’d the 9p next turn too
tan yao brain… i was thinking i can save the 9p to cut last because it’s safest but maybe i should just be playing full efficiency? I don’t want more 7ms though but I guess having the acceptance for it doesnt hurt
3m redundant on 56m ryanmen. also, 1shanten chiitoi
9p is indeed safer than xia here. also, even if i draw 7p for 789p can’t use it to win
accidentally right click skipped here lol
i was thinking i can expand more on the manzu…. technically im 1shanten if i keep the 13p shape but i do’nt want to end on 2p kanchan… but it’s expandable to 34567p so it’s probably not as bad as i think it is
bitch i need POINTS what do you mean you dont want me to daiminkan
kagashi’s got my back on this one
only did this cause of excessive call lag on the first discarded nan. if i didn’t know it was call lagged then yes this makes sense
somehow i had ‘chanta’ in my hand despite seeing (AND CONFIRMING) I had 3s pon here. lol
ok i think this one makes a little sense… im at 3:30 yasume / 4:30 takame and other people are probably tenpai too so I think there’s more downside for me here in raising other people’s hand value on this call
i think i have enough blocks here… but maybe I don’t? I feel like if I catch another chun here it would be huge for the atozuke play
Sorry I don’t get this one. If I can upgrade picking up 6s I get sanshoku! or a 0s pair! maybe I want a safer tile to discard after I hit tenpai?
now you want to hold onto the 5s????? mega confused
East 2-2
okay I concede 3p has no efficiency value but MUH 345s sanshoku….
East 3-1
isolated terminal vs non-value wind? torn on this one… i’d much rather toss xia vs 1p on a double riichi… or would I actually? since we know daburii has higher wait on tanki honor tiles (source: my ass) than any other wait, given that the most common daburii hand is chiitoi and the player would more likely pick an honor tile over a non honor tile for tenpai if possible (source: my ass again, i read it somewhere before ok)
East 4-1
agree 6s serves no purpose at this point. we should have done sakigiri now and save 9m for discarding later
when choosing which pair to cut when all seems equal, lets cut the pair that has been once cut vs the non-cut pair (6p in kamicha hand = less chance of 6p being pon tile for someone, whereas both 6s are still live). OK
let’s sakigiri 6s. I don’t need it. OK
let’s toss most likely genbutsu over absolute genbutsu first. OK
borderline to not chii; i’m taking it because i’m not necessarily hurting for points and am ok taking 2000 here to advance the round vs fishing for closed tan sanshoku for 5200 (mangan riichi).
South 1-1
fuck penchans all my homies hate penchans
sakigiri 8p makes sense – there’s really no way i’m gonna hold onto it in completing my hand at this point.
South 2-1
I did consider this pon as I do think nan should come out pretty easily… but I don’t want to be overly aggressive and get caught out by riichi with my point lead so I err on the side of caution rather than being aggressive here.
same as above
same as above goddammit ok i fucked up
maybe i should stop pushing against two open call dealer if i want to be”safe” :^)
South 2-1
I think the case here is you can build 789 sanshoku here, whereas I have absolutely nothing on the 123 side. ehhhhhhh its a stretch but every little bit matters so OK fine
don’t like this difference, i’d much rather sakigiri dora honor now since I don’t need more points at this point in time in case someone tanki riichis it in a turn or two.
South 3-1
isolated terminal > valueless wind? ok fine
I’d rather not help feed more yakuhai to shimo in last if I can help it… I’m ok folding my hand to advance to next round for muh 4th place avoidance.
genbutsu 1s cut lol isn’t that incongruent with my last statement????
i have no idea why kamicha tossed 7m into my riichi. i was confused. maybe he’s like no genbutsu so fuck everything
South 3-2
I’m thinking if I pick up another 9m I can switch to junchan… I guess 8p lets me keep 789 sanshoku alive but I feel like my blocks are set on 7899m 12p 123s 78s 66z…? I did end up cutting 9m in the end but I guess 78p is a upgrade over 12p kanchan so OK fine
i want to commit to junchan chance… but riichi on 8s or 6z draw is fine too i guess. i dont need more points here…
South 3-2
lone terminal > non-value wind
South 4-1
what am i doing here?????????? I was thinking i’d somehow end on 3444p tenpai but why go the long way around when I can just cut 3p?
2m genbutsu to start folding. I was thinking 5s to fold out is nakasuji to shimocha so it’s safe but toimen has already tedashi’d since his 2m drop so he could hit possibly hit me with dama. I find it hard for him to have dama mangan though to overtake me if he’s dropping 2m and i have one of the red fives
just genbutsuing out… i guess technically shimocha could switch to 5m tenpai on the discard but there’s no way it’s baiman to drop me out of 1st… I guess shimocha could technically use it so that would be the main demerit over 8s
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gg dude you’re very bad hand rate is high
Points to Consider
isolated terminals are worth more than non-value winds in early discards
let’s sakigiri tiles earlier that can’t improve our shapes (34s ryanmen >> 6 is shit)
open pon palace hands if we have 4 pairs + yakuhai? especially early?
hey did you know if you play better these posts won’t be as long? hidden incentive to play better…
I have 5 blocks already… is 7p too aggressive for sakigiri here? I guess 6p upgrade but I think 3344m, 34s, 779s, 22z are my blocks here but I guess I shouldn’t be so rigid about it
Chii here because I think I can pick up 2z pretty easily down the line and it’s dora. Brings my hand to 2000 nan dora vs 1000 nan nomi…?
Just sakigiri things since again I have my blocks set. Middling difference anyway
Bro IDK man fuck you
East 2-1
Legit error, just tossing wind while I was walking :^)
I did think about this one…. there is the potential for sanshoku 234 but I’d rather take the riichi opportunity if I draw 7s
I dont think I’m folding yet so 8p vs 9s is the debate. The early 4p and my ability to see 3 8s makes me think 9s is safer to discard (Naga feels the same) but dumping 8p seems too risky here to me (I would put the tenpai it on 58p or 69p based on the early 4p discard)
I’m not riichiing this go away
East 3-1
Value honor vs isolated terminal… OK
I guess I could be thinking about chiitoi earlier? If I drew 8s I’d shoot myself though. Trying to still keep options open here
I don’t understand this one – keeping 8p leaves me furiten on 7p draw, and once cut for chiitoi – 1m lets me use 2m for normal hand and is not cut at all so far. Am I trying to be careful of shimocha with the 5m cut?
Both 3m and 7s are genbutsu to shimocha riichi. I suppose 9p cut from toimen indicates possible danger since that’s a push tile, so 7s also protects against toimen if he was tenpai already.
East 3-2
Sanshoku potential if we keep 6s? I feel like we have our blocks set already and I don’t need to dangle a loose tile… drawing 12p lets me switch to pinfu over ton pair for riichi.
Same… I ended up cutting the 2p to riichi after on 7p draw so I guess I really don’t need the 2p?????
Not sure what I was going for here… 33m pair isn’t secure here so cutting the 9s is going back a step here. OK
No difference for me… I suppose 1p is safer vs shimocha if we get later into the round?
South 2-1
I am thinking chin itsu here but I think getting nan is pretty low rate and I wanna try to conceal my discards a little bit… I do agree pure efficiency though cutting 4p/4s is better but I opted to go for a tiny bit of misdirection from away from manzu hand
Tsumo… rest of the differences are indifferent to me for pinzu/souzu discard order
South 2-1
Value Dragon vs Round Wind. OK
This makes sense to me from a pure efficiency standpoint – I was fantasizing of drawing another 5p for san an kou but this makes sense…
Trash riichi but it is worth 7700… I can’t take it. I will hope to find another wait down the line.
Got the 4p anyway in the end (or from shimocha twice) but dugout the 23s. So Lucky
South 2-2
Fuck You
I know 2234s lets me chii 2s/5s from kamicha but I wanted to take my chances on drawing 3p/5p instead. Plus if I draw 3s I’ll be ready sad if I furiten myself on 1s.
South 2-3
Indifferent… I want to be away from 7p iipeikou on 789p since 9p is pretty dead. Also helps with 0p acceptance.
I’m thinking tan yao here… I do have 4 pair chiitoi but should I really be thinking about tanyao if I have the 789p block?
Indifferent. I would rather deal the nan now and have someone pon it rather than get ronned on it later. Plus hatsu is my pocket safe tile for later.
South 3-3
Once cut seat wind vs uncut dragon – Ehhhhhhhhhh OK… I don’t usually adjust for discarded winds/dragons until they’re two cut in opening hand efficiency but I guess we can start.
I just want to end the round quickly here… I don’t see additional value here beyond picking up more dora so I want to open up for it. Pretty far for riichi too so I will take the speed here.
But somehow I wanted to go for Hon itsu here… lol if I wanted to do that I should have held on to all my wind tiles right :^)
Rest of differences are wanting to toss 1m earlier. OK i agree in hindsight but switching to hon itsu would have been sick
South 4-1
Value honor vs terminal – OK
I do want the 24m block for tan yao but what if I draw 1p/3p for pinfu/riichi? Normal me would just do 1p and force tan yao immediately but I’m trying to be smart ):
Arguably 2s has no value for me since we have 2 1s cut already… OK
I don’t wanna cut 5s in case shimocha needs it…
I did think about this and opted for 8m vs 7m since it would be harder for shimocha to chii 8m vs 7m… I’d end up picking another 8m after |:
Close enough…
gg dude
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It’s ok; Could argue my riichi in East 3 cost me the end but there’s no way you don’t riichi that hand.
Points to Consider
Value Honors > Isolated Terminals
Place more value on 5200/7700 non-oya/oya shit wait riichis?
Feigning misdirection is not worth it on hon/chin itsu hands (I know this already but I didn’t commit to it in South 2-1 by throwing the nan early)
